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Okay, it can stop now. Bored with damp and cold and dark. I want some sun! Like this:



That's Carriacou in the Leeward Islands, scene of some of the action in On a Lee Shore. I'm jealous of the people I write about.

Tomorrow is Valentine's Day - a day that is uncelebrated in my house apart from in one important respect. Himself grumbles if I don't get him a card and a present so I do. But to celebrate the SPIRIT of the day I joined in with the Love Bites Blog Hop. The brief was to write an alternative post about Valentine's Day in 250 words, so I went right back to basics.

Rome, about 50 AD

Valens winced as the slimy hide wrapped around his loins. It has lost the heat of its recently deceased previous owner but now smelled even worse.

Sextus, a pace or two to his right, gave a disgusted grunt, and Valens bit his lips together to stifle a snigger. Lupercalia was a serious religious ceremony. It was an honour to be chosen to have ones manly parts swathed with newly harvested goat skin, hairy side out, and to run through the streets of Rome whacking women with more strips of skin to increase their fertility.

There was little difference in hairiness between the goatskin and Sextus’s belly. It was a nice belly – rounded with good feeding, but with solid muscle beneath – and Valens wouldn’t have minded getting to know it, and the rest better. Sadly, they were so close in rank that it was better not to ask.

Warm wet touched his face – the traditional anointing with blood on brow and cheeks and breast. After which he and Sextus were supposed to laugh uproariously. A drip tickled its way down his chest, skirting a nipple, then on down. Sextus was watching it as the high priest made the invocation.

“Don’t forget,” Sextus muttered as they prepared to run. ”Lucilla and Proserpina will be at the corner by the temple of Isis. I promised them both a good thwack.”

Valens sighed. Lupercalia – murdered goats, blood, laughter, whipping women . Surely there was an easier way to celebrate spring?

See that was a little bit of M/M without any sex in it! Anyone else interested in making some kind of group on Goodreads or Facebook, or both, to promote books that have adult males in relationships, but that shouldn't really be classed as erotica? I've read plenty of mainstream novels - sci-fi, spies, historicals - that had one or two quite explicit sex scenes between the hero and some token female yet they weren't placed on the naughty shelf. Whaddaya think?

Date: 2013-02-14 08:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wulfila.livejournal.com
I love how you always manage to find underused historical details and turn them into stories one wants to read more about (now I am hoping for a happy ending for Valens and Sextus in defiances of social customs).

Date: 2013-02-14 08:13 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] alex-beecroft.livejournal.com
I'll sign up to your group(s) in a flash (and I don't mean the dirty overcoat kind of flash.) I am so fed up of it.

Date: 2013-02-14 11:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marasmine.livejournal.com
Can we have group meetings on that beach?
I'd join a group like that even without the beach. I write (sometimes) smutty romance not erotica.

Date: 2013-02-14 11:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elin-gregory.livejournal.com
Thanks for the feedback :) I love the idea of Lupercalia - apart from the animal sacrifices. They used to kill a dog as well, which I deliberately left out because I didn't think I could deal with it effectively in 250 words.

The best way for a couple to get over social customs is to take them out of that society. :) I'm giving it some thought.

Date: 2013-02-14 09:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] choccy-grl.livejournal.com
I've been having similar discussions with Alex Beecroft about this exact subject. I certainly don't consider myself an erotica writer. I'd be interested in some sort of group.

FYI, I'm Lillian Francis, btw.

Date: 2013-02-14 09:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elin-gregory.livejournal.com
Oh, meetings on the beach would be nice wouldn't they? Dappled shade and something mildly alcoholic to drink in excellent, if slightly giggly, company.

Date: 2013-02-14 09:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elin-gregory.livejournal.com
A pleasure to meet you. :)

I'm baffled by this whole business. My pirate novel has 450 odd pages and a 2 page sex scene that fades to black because I got bored writing it and my publisher still tried to market it as M/M erotica! What the heck is that about?

I just need to have a very hard think about the most useful way to set the group up to benefit both authors and readers, and to accommodate all the variations from no romance to one red hot page.

Date: 2013-02-14 11:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] choccy-grl.livejournal.com
Hi, we met briefly at the UK Meet, signing each others copies of Lashings of Sauce.

Yep, I average two sex scenes per novel, often not very explicit, so I wouldn't class myself as erotica either. And my Lashings of Sauce story had no sex at all.

PM me if you need to chuck ideas around :D

Date: 2013-02-15 03:33 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] chrysalis1975
I'd be interested in such a group, as a reader of M/M. I really like the sex scenes to be minimum (or none at all, unless the book really did call for it), and such a group of M/M authors and readers who feel the same way (or similar) greatly appeals to me.

(just my 2 cents)

Tame

Date: 2013-02-15 02:03 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kirby-crow.livejournal.com
I'd be up for that. I love erotica and I've written a few (ahaha) stories that qualify for that tag, but my most popular series (Scarlet and the White Wolf) has very little sex in it. In the first 55k, we only get to see one kiss, and yet it's almost always classified as gay erotica.

I wish people would understand that I can love and support gay erotic fiction without wanting my books misclassified. It's not about being against sex or explicit scenes, it's about getting the right books to the right readers.

Date: 2013-02-15 02:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elin-gregory.livejournal.com
Thank you for commenting. I'll be posting about this again as I try to work out what will work best for readers. :)

Any ideas?

Date: 2013-02-15 02:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elin-gregory.livejournal.com
Thanks for commenting, Kirby. Getting the right books to the right readers is what marketing is all about. In fact that would be a cracking title for the group! Thank you.

Date: 2013-02-15 03:07 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kirby-crow.livejournal.com
Awesome! You're welcome. :)
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